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opened 2016-01-12 18:22:09 +00:00 by philm · 72 comments
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:22:09 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Seems there is still some work to do ...

error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
/var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.config/autostart/manjaro-welcome.desktop exists in both 'manjaro-kde-minimal-settings' and 'manjaro-welcome'
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.Xresources exists in filesystem
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bash_profile exists in filesystem
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bashrc exists in filesystem
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.conkyrc exists in filesystem
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.dir_colors exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
*Created by: philmmanjaro* Seems there is still some work to do ... ``` error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.config/autostart/manjaro-welcome.desktop exists in both 'manjaro-kde-minimal-settings' and 'manjaro-welcome' manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.Xresources exists in filesystem manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bash_profile exists in filesystem manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bashrc exists in filesystem manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.conkyrc exists in filesystem manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.dir_colors exists in filesystem Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:23:45 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Yes, the dot files, they need to be cleaned up and possibly packed up or used in overlay.
I think we need a strategy here.

*Created by: udeved* Yes, the dot files, they need to be cleaned up and possibly packed up or used in overlay. I think we need a strategy here.
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:29:32 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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root-overlay has followed files:

tree -a skel
skel
├── .bashrc
├── .conkyrc
├── .dir_colors
├── .mozilla
│   └── firefox
│       ├── 9shb6xj3.default
│       │   ├── bookmarkbackups
│       │   │   └── bookmarks-2013-03-04.json
│       │   ├── chrome
│       │   │   └── userChrome.css
│       │   └── prefs.js
│       └── profiles.ini
└── .Xresources

5 directories, 8 files
*Created by: philmmanjaro* **root-overlay** has followed files: ``` tree -a skel skel ├── .bashrc ├── .conkyrc ├── .dir_colors ├── .mozilla │   └── firefox │   ├── 9shb6xj3.default │   │   ├── bookmarkbackups │   │   │   └── bookmarks-2013-03-04.json │   │   ├── chrome │   │   │   └── userChrome.css │   │   └── prefs.js │   └── profiles.ini └── .Xresources 5 directories, 8 files ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:31:01 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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the mozilla should go.
I just don't know if at all, the various .mozilla folders are necessary, if they just provide manjaro bookmarks for example.
A firefox-settings package is on ToDo.

*Created by: udeved* the mozilla should go. I just don't know if at all, the various .mozilla folders are necessary, if they just provide manjaro bookmarks for example. A firefox-settings package is on ToDo.
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:32:22 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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So best is to provide skel with the desktop settings and not with root-overlay.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* So best is to provide skel with the desktop settings and not with **root-overlay**.
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:33:06 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Yes, I think so. I just didn't clean the shared/manjaro/* yet.

*Created by: udeved* Yes, I think so. I just didn't clean the shared/manjaro/\* yet.
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:34:53 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Basically, if in overlay, its meaningless, if in root-overlay or desktop-overlay.
Just that desktop-overlay overwrites root-overlay stuff.
So in a sense pointless to have skel in root-overlay, except we only gonna have a root-image and no desktop-image

*Created by: udeved* Basically, if in overlay, its meaningless, if in root-overlay or desktop-overlay. Just that desktop-overlay overwrites root-overlay stuff. So in a sense pointless to have skel in root-overlay, except we only gonna have a root-image and no desktop-image
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:35:38 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Ok, then copy those skel files into the desktop-settings from root and if it already provides some, skip them. xfce-minimal seems to be fine so far.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* Ok, then copy those skel files into the desktop-settings from root and if it already provides some, skip them. **xfce-minimal** seems to be fine so far.
philm commented 2016-01-12 18:40:35 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles@dbd8ed7ae8

*Created by: udeved* https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles/commit/dbd8ed7ae83ac8fbffb6f625901600092b14b5ad
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:22:47 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Btw, we should have one iso out before annoucning settings packages.
Noobs will find it hard to figure out that they need to clean /etc/skel if installed pre 16.01

*Created by: udeved* Btw, we should have one iso out before annoucning settings packages. Noobs will find it hard to figure out that they need to clean /etc/skel if installed pre 16.01
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:23:03 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Now we have still this:

error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bash_profile exists in filesystem
manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bashrc exists in filesystem
*Created by: philmmanjaro* Now we have still this: ``` error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bash_profile exists in filesystem manjaro-kde-minimal-settings: /var/lib/manjaro-tools/buildiso/kde-minimal/x86_64/kde-image/etc/skel/.bashrc exists in filesystem ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:24:22 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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bashrc and bash_profile are provided by package bash, I guess?

I wish we had pkgfile for this.

*Created by: udeved* bashrc and bash_profile are provided by package bash, I guess? I wish we had pkgfile for this.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:25:51 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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I think it is e513b08db0

*Created by: philmmanjaro* I think it is e513b08db0acdd22c879282cdb3eda0fa5a341ee
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:27:07 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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wait a minute, I will chroot in the arch system to run pkgfile. We can check.

Did you add manjaro-base-skel to your list?

*Created by: udeved* wait a minute, I will chroot in the arch system to run pkgfile. We can check. Did you add manjaro-base-skel to your list?
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:31:56 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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pkgfile .bash_profile
core/bash

pkgfile .bashrc
core/bash

So we either do manjaro bash package or we do it in overlay, which is not update safe.

*Created by: udeved* ``` pkgfile .bash_profile core/bash pkgfile .bashrc core/bash ``` So we either do manjaro bash package or we do it in overlay, which is not update safe.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:32:57 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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hmm. or remove those files from our desktop-settings ... hmm

*Created by: philmmanjaro* hmm. or remove those files from our desktop-settings ... hmm
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:33:45 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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I have it. We do a install scriplet ...

*Created by: philmmanjaro* I have it. We do a install scriplet ...
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:33:54 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Whatever we do, if we use arch bash package, we can't package those files, and probably a few more.

*Created by: udeved* Whatever we do, if we use arch bash package, we can't package those files, and probably a few more.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:34:16 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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let me check the bash package then.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* let me check the **bash** package then.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:35:53 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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It all depends what lands on a default installed arch system in /etc/skel.

This is on arch without any DE, just base group install:

ls -a /etc/skel
.  ..  .bash_logout  .bash_profile  .bashrc
*Created by: udeved* It all depends what lands on a default installed arch system in /etc/skel. This is on arch without any DE, just base group install: ``` ls -a /etc/skel . .. .bash_logout .bash_profile .bashrc ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:37:56 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Yep ...

  # user configuration file skeletons
  install -m644 dot.bashrc "$pkgdir"/etc/skel/.bashrc
  install -m644 dot.bash_profile "$pkgdir"/etc/skel/.bash_profile
  install -m644 dot.bash_logout "$pkgdir"/etc/skel/.bash_logout
*Created by: philmmanjaro* Yep ... ``` # user configuration file skeletons install -m644 dot.bashrc "$pkgdir"/etc/skel/.bashrc install -m644 dot.bash_profile "$pkgdir"/etc/skel/.bash_profile install -m644 dot.bash_logout "$pkgdir"/etc/skel/.bash_logout ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:38:46 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Question is, do we want a manjaro bash?
Is it desirable considering readline etc?

*Created by: udeved* Question is, do we want a manjaro bash? Is it desirable considering readline etc?
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:39:24 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Let me quickly test something first.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* Let me quickly test something first.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:41:39 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Currently we have this:

desktop-settings]$ ls */*/skel/.bash*
community/bspwm/skel/.bash_profile  community/mate/skel/.bash_profile
community/bspwm/skel/.bashrc        community/mate/skel/.bashrc
community/deepin/skel/.bashrc       community/openbox/skel/.bashrc
community/fluxbox/skel/.bashrc      minimal/kde/skel/.bash_profile
community/i3/skel/.bashrc           minimal/kde/skel/.bashrc
community/jwm/skel/.bashrc          official/kde/skel/.bash_profile
community/lxde/skel/.bashrc         official/kde/skel/.bashrc
community/lxqt/skel/.bashrc

Let me check something here.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* Currently we have this: ``` desktop-settings]$ ls */*/skel/.bash* community/bspwm/skel/.bash_profile community/mate/skel/.bash_profile community/bspwm/skel/.bashrc community/mate/skel/.bashrc community/deepin/skel/.bashrc community/openbox/skel/.bashrc community/fluxbox/skel/.bashrc minimal/kde/skel/.bash_profile community/i3/skel/.bashrc minimal/kde/skel/.bashrc community/jwm/skel/.bashrc official/kde/skel/.bash_profile community/lxde/skel/.bashrc official/kde/skel/.bashrc community/lxqt/skel/.bashrc ``` Let me check something here.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:42:52 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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We need to diff many files in the process I think, to see if they are relly necessary.
On the positive side, we create very solid profiles.

*Created by: udeved* We need to diff many files in the process I think, to see if they are relly necessary. On the positive side, we create very solid profiles.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:43:59 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Let me do something first before dropping it from bash.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* Let me do something first before dropping it from **bash**.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:44:32 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Sure, no haste, this is the tricky part to sort this all out.

*Created by: udeved* Sure, no haste, this is the tricky part to sort this all out.
oberon commented 2016-01-12 19:53:48 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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FYI, I am using a customized .bashrc. If that's a problem I can drop it.

FYI, I am using a customized **.bashrc**. If that's a problem I can drop it.
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:54:52 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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@oberon2007: working on it ...

*Created by: philmmanjaro* @oberon2007: working on it ...
philm commented 2016-01-12 19:57:02 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Currently checking some files ...

pkgfile .zshrc   
extra/grml-zsh-config

Only other is .zshrc.

*Created by: udeved* Currently checking some files ... ``` pkgfile .zshrc extra/grml-zsh-config ``` Only other is .zshrc.
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:01:05 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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For now only at:

ls */*/skel/.zsh*
community/bspwm/skel/.zshrc
*Created by: philmmanjaro* For now only at: ``` ls */*/skel/.zsh* community/bspwm/skel/.zshrc ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:03:37 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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In summary, bash and zsh, so the shells need to be handled.

*Created by: udeved* In summary, bash and zsh, so the shells need to be handled.
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:05:39 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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pkgfile -ds /etc/skel/       
core/bash
core/filesystem
extra/grml-zsh-config
extra/screen
community/mksh
community/xombrero
*Created by: udeved* ``` pkgfile -ds /etc/skel/ core/bash core/filesystem extra/grml-zsh-config extra/screen community/mksh community/xombrero ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:09:24 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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grml-zsh-config is used by archboot, so no issue on our end.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* **grml-zsh-config** is used by **archboot**, so no issue on our end.
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:10:38 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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filesystem only provides /etc/skel
no issue there either.

*Created by: udeved* filesystem only provides /etc/skel no issue there either.
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:47:12 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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$ sudo pacman -Syu manjaro-base-skel
:: Synchronisiere Paketdatenbanken...
 core ist aktuell
 extra                                     1919,6 KiB   643K/s 00:03 [######################################] 100%
 community ist aktuell
 multilib ist aktuell
:: Starte vollständige Systemaktualisierung...
Löse Abhängigkeiten auf...
Suche nach in Konflikt stehenden Paketen...

Pakete (2) manjaro-lxqt-minimal-settings-20160112-5  manjaro-base-skel-20160112-5

Gesamtgröße des Downloads:                0,02 MiB
Gesamtgröße der zu installierenden Pakete:  0,14 MiB
Größendifferenz der Aktualisierung:       0,02 MiB

:: Installation fortsetzen? [J/n] j
:: Empfange Pakete...
 manjaro-base-skel-20160112-5-any             4,7 KiB  93,2K/s 00:00 [######################################]  21%
 manjaro-lxqt-minimal-settings-2016011...    21,3 KiB   125K/s 00:00 [######################################] 100%
(2/2) Prüfe Schlüssel im Schlüsselring                               [######################################] 100%
(2/2) Überprüfe Paket-Integrität                                     [######################################] 100%
(2/2) Lade Paket-Dateien                                             [######################################] 100%
(2/2) Prüfe auf Dateikonflikte                                       [######################################] 100%
(2/2) Überprüfe verfügbaren Festplattenspeicher                      [######################################] 100%
(1/2) Installiere manjaro-base-skel                                  [######################################] 100%
cp: der Aufruf von stat für „/etc/skel/bash/*“ ist nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
Fehler: Befehl konnte nicht korrekt ausgeführt werden
(2/2) Aktualisiere manjaro-lxqt-minimal-settings                     [######################################] 100%
cp: der Aufruf von stat für „/etc/skel/bash/*“ ist nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
Fehler: Befehl konnte nicht korrekt ausgeführt werden
*Created by: udeved* ``` $ sudo pacman -Syu manjaro-base-skel :: Synchronisiere Paketdatenbanken... core ist aktuell extra 1919,6 KiB 643K/s 00:03 [######################################] 100% community ist aktuell multilib ist aktuell :: Starte vollständige Systemaktualisierung... Löse Abhängigkeiten auf... Suche nach in Konflikt stehenden Paketen... Pakete (2) manjaro-lxqt-minimal-settings-20160112-5 manjaro-base-skel-20160112-5 Gesamtgröße des Downloads: 0,02 MiB Gesamtgröße der zu installierenden Pakete: 0,14 MiB Größendifferenz der Aktualisierung: 0,02 MiB :: Installation fortsetzen? [J/n] j :: Empfange Pakete... manjaro-base-skel-20160112-5-any 4,7 KiB 93,2K/s 00:00 [######################################] 21% manjaro-lxqt-minimal-settings-2016011... 21,3 KiB 125K/s 00:00 [######################################] 100% (2/2) Prüfe Schlüssel im Schlüsselring [######################################] 100% (2/2) Überprüfe Paket-Integrität [######################################] 100% (2/2) Lade Paket-Dateien [######################################] 100% (2/2) Prüfe auf Dateikonflikte [######################################] 100% (2/2) Überprüfe verfügbaren Festplattenspeicher [######################################] 100% (1/2) Installiere manjaro-base-skel [######################################] 100% cp: der Aufruf von stat für „/etc/skel/bash/*“ ist nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Fehler: Befehl konnte nicht korrekt ausgeführt werden (2/2) Aktualisiere manjaro-lxqt-minimal-settings [######################################] 100% cp: der Aufruf von stat für „/etc/skel/bash/*“ ist nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Fehler: Befehl konnte nicht korrekt ausgeführt werden ```
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:54:50 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Perhaps best in this case to move the bashrc back in profiles as only exception.
pacman should make a backup, so its not totally lost after update of bash,

I can do it, sleep well.

*Created by: udeved* Perhaps best in this case to move the bashrc back in profiles as only exception. pacman should make a backup, so its not totally lost after update of bash, I can do it, sleep well.
philm commented 2016-01-12 20:58:07 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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even better, lets install the base skel not in /etc but somewhere in /usr/share/manjaro(-tools)

This way, the bash folder in skel doesn't get copied to home dir too.

*Created by: udeved* even better, lets install the base skel not in /etc but somewhere in /usr/share/manjaro(-tools) This way, the bash folder in skel doesn't get copied to home dir too.
philm commented 2016-01-12 21:04:57 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Well, the current way is working. I'm open for better ideas. Simply WOW me ;)

*Created by: philmmanjaro* Well, the current way is working. I'm open for better ideas. Simply WOW me ;)
philm commented 2016-01-12 21:08:10 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Oh Efendi, the Sultan thinks installing the bashrc eg in /usr/share/bash/bashrc.manjaro
get us rid of the /etc/skel/bash folder. The camel can be copied from install location to /etc/skel.
so only slight modification of the silk road. :)

*Created by: udeved* Oh Efendi, the Sultan thinks installing the bashrc eg in /usr/share/bash/bashrc.manjaro get us rid of the /etc/skel/bash folder. The camel can be copied from install location to /etc/skel. so only slight modification of the silk road. :)
philm commented 2016-01-12 21:19:00 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Hmm, makes sense, this will avoid the copying of the bash folder to the home-dir. Go for it ...

*Created by: philmmanjaro* Hmm, makes sense, this will avoid the copying of the **bash** folder to the home-dir. Go for it ...
philm commented 2016-01-12 21:21:40 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Right, I'll commit the mod soon.

*Created by: udeved* Right, I'll commit the mod soon.
philm commented 2016-01-12 21:47:23 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Would be nice opportunity to perhaps include source the msg functions from manjaro-tools in bashrc and zshrc so they are always accessible?

*Created by: udeved* Would be nice opportunity to perhaps include source the msg functions from manjaro-tools in bashrc and zshrc so they are always accessible?
philm commented 2016-01-12 21:51:39 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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what are we gonna do with the overlay/root/:* stuff that is in the profiles still?

I do see the need for live overlay skel files.

*Created by: udeved* what are we gonna do with the overlay/root/:\* stuff that is in the profiles still? I do see the need for live overlay skel files.
oberon commented 2016-01-12 22:13:04 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Some config for root is needed in i3 and fluxbox because the root account is otherwise practically not useable. My understanding is that /etc/skel is not copied over to /root's home, or is it? Anyway would that be an option?

Some config for root is needed in i3 and fluxbox because the root account is otherwise practically not useable. My understanding is that /etc/skel is not copied over to /root's home, or is it? Anyway would that be an option?
philm commented 2016-01-12 22:22:28 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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I haven't touched the stuff in live-overlay{/root,/etc/skel}.
You are right, skel doesn't apply for root.

I think we can package the /root folder stuff thats not in live-overlay.
live-overlay{/root,/etc/skel}. can remain, I believe should remain.

*Created by: udeved* I haven't touched the stuff in live-overlay{/root,/etc/skel}. You are right, skel doesn't apply for root. I think we can package the /root folder stuff thats not in live-overlay. live-overlay{/root,/etc/skel}. can remain, I believe should remain.
oberon commented 2016-01-12 22:26:11 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Can /root/ not really just be a copy of /etc/skel ?

Can /root/ not really just be a copy of /etc/skel ?
philm commented 2016-01-12 22:27:04 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Well, it depends what you deploy in /etc/skel, its a potential security hole.

*Created by: udeved* Well, it depends what you deploy in /etc/skel, its a potential security hole.
philm commented 2016-01-12 22:54:23 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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We need to rethink live/root

from livecd script in manjaro-tools, that is run before live session starts:

cp -a /etc/skel/. /root/

This may solve some mystery, why some live-overlay/root stuff doesn't work, it gets overwritten eventually.

*Created by: udeved* We need to rethink live/root from livecd script in manjaro-tools, that is run before live session starts: ``` cp -a /etc/skel/. /root/ ``` This may solve some mystery, why some live-overlay/root stuff doesn't work, it gets overwritten eventually.
philm commented 2016-01-13 05:39:57 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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I think Stefano has done the dconf schema stuff well.
Pantheon could be reference for schema stuff.

I will further clean profiles, so we end up with entire user customization of profile being in desktop-settings. Stuff is already pretty much transferred in their respective skel folders.

@oberon2007
I cleaned up your profiles a bit, perhaps it becomes now more clear what is possible, and what may confused. ;)

*Created by: udeved* I think Stefano has done the dconf schema stuff well. Pantheon could be reference for schema stuff. I will further clean profiles, so we end up with entire user customization of profile being in desktop-settings. Stuff is already pretty much transferred in their respective skel folders. @oberon2007 I cleaned up your profiles a bit, perhaps it becomes now more clear what is possible, and what may confused. ;)
oberon commented 2016-01-13 08:15:31 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Yes. I've commented there. But it will only work if you copy the desktop settings to /root. Otherwise you make the root account unusable in a WM. There is no default funcionality.

Yes. I've commented there. But it will only work if you copy the desktop settings to /root. Otherwise you make the root account unusable in a WM. There is no default funcionality.
philm commented 2016-01-13 16:09:27 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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What I am saying, there was kind of bug, flawed logic how we set up /root folder @oberon2007 ;)
Especially if you use a real root-overlay folder instead of symlink, it may have affected several profiles.
github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools@9e2f61ed1b

*Created by: udeved* What I am saying, there was kind of bug, flawed logic how we set up /root folder @oberon2007 ;) Especially if you use a real root-overlay folder instead of symlink, it may have affected several profiles. https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools/commit/9e2f61ed1b445ff8ae087585bbfc11ac5f9d722c
philm commented 2016-01-13 19:33:23 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Regarding the /root folder.

We could set it up like this:

if [ -d $srcdir/$pkgbase/$1/root ]; then
        cp -r $srcdir/$pkgbase/$1/root/. $pkgdir/root
else
        cp -r $srcdir/$pkgbase/$1/skel/. $pkgdir/root
fi

Is this desirable? Is there any need for special /root setup that differs from /etc/skel?

*Created by: udeved* Regarding the /root folder. We could set it up like this: ``` if [ -d $srcdir/$pkgbase/$1/root ]; then cp -r $srcdir/$pkgbase/$1/root/. $pkgdir/root else cp -r $srcdir/$pkgbase/$1/skel/. $pkgdir/root fi ``` Is this desirable? Is there any need for special /root setup that differs from /etc/skel?
philm commented 2016-01-14 21:32:45 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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I haven't look enough at xfce and kde yet.
But could me make eg manjaro-kde-settings depend on manjaro-kde-minimal-settings?
Same for xfce.

Won't work for lxqt, I had to talk to Esclapion to coordinate theming, they are different.

*Created by: udeved* I haven't look enough at xfce and kde yet. But could me make eg manjaro-kde-settings depend on manjaro-kde-minimal-settings? Same for xfce. Won't work for lxqt, I had to talk to Esclapion to coordinate theming, they are different.
oberon commented 2016-01-15 21:21:12 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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maybe put .xinitrc in the backup array? Otherwise you will not be able to install desktop-settings in on an existing system.

maybe put **.xinitrc** in the backup array? Otherwise you will not be able to install **desktop-settings** in on an existing system.
oberon commented 2016-01-15 21:23:12 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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rubbish. forget what i just said! 😆

rubbish. forget what i just said! :laughing:
philm commented 2016-01-15 21:26:48 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Any iso built with settings pkg will have a clean /etc/skel, and stuff in there can be simply removed.
It used to be part of filesystem, which was not so good.

Bernhard, don't wonder, I removed for the moment your live skel customization from the profiles.
We can move them back if we don't find a good solution. I was thinking we may be able to come up with something for all the WM based iso.

*Created by: udeved* Any iso built with settings pkg will have a clean /etc/skel, and stuff in there can be simply removed. It used to be part of filesystem, which was not so good. Bernhard, don't wonder, I removed for the moment your live skel customization from the profiles. We can move them back if we don't find a good solution. I was thinking we may be able to come up with something for all the WM based iso.
oberon commented 2016-01-15 21:27:52 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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for fun I was just trying to install manjaro-xfce-settings on my deepin install and /etc/skel/.xinitrc was the only conflicting file of course ;)

for fun I was just trying to install **manjaro-xfce-settings** on my deepin install and /etc/skel/.xinitrc was the only conflicting file of course ;)
philm commented 2016-01-15 21:29:03 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Best is, you simply rm -r /etc/skel/* on existing install, and just leave bash files

*Created by: udeved* Best is, you simply rm -r /etc/skel/\* on existing install, and just leave bash files
oberon commented 2016-01-15 21:30:34 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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yes sure. no problem :)

yes sure. no problem :)
philm commented 2016-01-15 21:33:44 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Do these WM editions need necessarily the live menu, or would be destop symlinks to the apps enough?

*Created by: udeved* Do these WM editions need necessarily the live menu, or would be destop symlinks to the apps enough?
oberon commented 2016-01-15 21:37:27 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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you mean i3 and fluxbox? no. they don't support desktop icons! ;) and in i3 the whole WM only works with the config and the conky serves as a cheat-sheat for the shortcuts. people will be lost without it to launch the installers...

you mean i3 and fluxbox? no. they don't support desktop icons! ;) and in i3 the whole WM only works with the config and the conky serves as a cheat-sheat for the shortcuts. people will be lost without it to launch the installers...
philm commented 2016-01-15 21:38:24 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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I see, damn those WMs. ;)

*Created by: udeved* I see, damn those WMs. ;)
oberon commented 2016-01-15 21:38:39 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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::)

::)
philm commented 2016-01-15 21:40:24 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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But on a serious note, these WMs screw pretty much up some nice idea.

*Created by: udeved* But on a serious note, these WMs screw pretty much up some nice idea.
philm commented 2016-01-15 21:41:07 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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What about dynamic menus for these?

*Created by: udeved* What about dynamic menus for these?
oberon commented 2016-01-15 22:22:20 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Nope ... doesn't exist. That stuff sucks! 😆

Nope ... doesn't exist. That stuff sucks! :laughing:
oberon commented 2016-01-15 22:26:07 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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So, I just installed manjaro-xfce-settings plus some packages from Packages-Xfce on my Deepin install here and created a new user. It took about 2 minutes... This is TOTALLY fun!! 😆

xfce

So, I just installed **manjaro-xfce-settings** plus some packages from **Packages-Xfce** on my Deepin install here and created a new user. It took about 2 minutes... This is TOTALLY fun!! :laughing: ![xfce](https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/11800714/12367008/490c823c-bbdf-11e5-83db-06db77f6e2d1.png)
philm commented 2016-01-15 22:37:27 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Yes, we can now simulate the iso easily on the system. :)

*Created by: udeved* Yes, we can now simulate the iso easily on the system. :)
philm commented 2016-01-16 08:55:04 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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So we are now on the stage to give the user the option to install our desktops with our settings as it should be. Great. Next step would be to add a module to Calamares to choose the available desktops and create a network install media with Calamares starting up in fullscreen. Maybe a minimal LxQt live.

*Created by: philmmanjaro* So we are now on the stage to give the user the option to install our desktops with our settings as it should be. Great. Next step would be to add a module to Calamares to choose the available desktops and create a network install media with Calamares starting up in fullscreen. Maybe a minimal LxQt live.
oberon commented 2016-01-16 09:12:57 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Who wants to go completely crazy can create a meta-package of the needed packages for his profile. Then people can really just install a second default desktop to their systems 😆

Who wants to go completely crazy can create a meta-package of the needed packages for his profile. Then people can really just install a second default desktop to their systems :laughing:
philm commented 2016-01-21 21:24:26 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Pantheon desktop settings seems problem
schermata del 2016-01-21 22-18-36

*Created by: Ste74* Pantheon desktop settings seems problem ![schermata del 2016-01-21 22-18-36](https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/11218234/12495017/96c4bce4-c08d-11e5-8f90-886afdb78259.png)
philm commented 2016-01-22 22:09:31 +00:00 (Migrated from gitlab2.manjaro.org)
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Correct the conflicts and try to rebuild but desktop-settings is online ? Only when pushed in repo i can rebuild ?

*Created by: Ste74* Correct the conflicts and try to rebuild but desktop-settings is online ? Only when pushed in repo i can rebuild ?
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